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16.0 Wire
More than any other topic, speaker cables and equipment
interconnects seem to use up rec.audio bandwidth echoing the
same theoretical arguments, testimonials, and opinions.
Controversy can be stimulating, educational, and also amusing.
Please try to keep postings aimed at one of those three goals,
and avoid the insults and emotion. Also, try to avoid
echoing a common position or principle, as described below.
16.1 Do speaker cables matter?
To avoid confusion and repetition, here is some terminology.
Cables are connectors attached to wires. Wires generally
have multiple conductors optionally surrounded by a shield and
outer insulating covering. Cables can introduce noise into the
signal, act as a filter (and thus change the frequency response
of the system), and provide nonlinearities from improper
(intermittent/loose) connections to or between the connectors.
It is quite scientifically conceivable that some cables do
cause a difference in sound, because of the differences in DC
resistance, interconductor capacitance, and connector attachment
alone. The effects of exotic conductor weaving and materials
are not so well established. In general, these effects (once
we eliminate DC resistance), seem to be small. However, if your
system is at least fairly good, then some folks have observed
(although not in an experimental, double-blind sense)
significant differences in system performance with different
cables. The effects are said to be quite system specific; the
only real guideline is to try them and see which ones seem to
sound better in your system.
Roughly speaking, the price ranges for speaker cables is low
(under $1/ft), medium (under $6-8/ft), and high (up to $100/ft
and more). Try to arrange it so you can trial such cables; at
several hundred dollars per set, experiments can be expensive.
In any system or experiment, it is essential that the
differences between cables be separated from the
differences between connectors.
You should have an EXTREMELY solid connection between cable and
speaker. Speakers operate at very low impedances, so that bad
connections will create significant artifacts or signal losses
at any power level. For example, if the connection has a linear
resistance of just 1 ohm, the speaker damping factor will be
dramatically reduced, making bass muddy. If the connection
contains imperfect metal oxides, then a slightly rectifying
junction will block the signal, producing compression,
distortion, and other non-linear effects.
There are many magazine articles on cables with various
perspectives which are worth reading, including:
"Speaker Cables: Testing for Audibility"
Fred E. Davis
Audio, July 1993, pgs. 34-43
16.2 What speaker cables are available and how good are they?
There is a wide range of speaker wire available, ranging from
30ga zip cord (~$.10/ft) to exotic wires costing over $300/ft.
The material used ranges from copper to oxygen-free copper
(OFC) to silver. (There are a bunch of others as well.)
Oxygen-free copper is probably NOT any different from common
copper in sound. If you hear a difference between two cables,
it is not a difference between oxygen-free and common copper.
Resistance may be significant for speaker cables. The higher
the resistance, the more the cable will affect the sound, all
else equal. The resistance characteristic of metals is called
resistivity. The resistivity of copper is 1.7 microohm-cm.
Silver is very slightly lower, 1.6. Gold is a bit higher, 2.4.
Silver and gold are different from copper in other ways than
resistivity. Gold does not oxidize in normal environments,
so gold contacts will not need periodic cleaning and will not
create rectifying junctions. Silver will oxidize, but the
oxide of silver is conductive, so oxidized silver will still
make good contact. Copper oxide is a bad conductor. Oxidized
copper contacts may insulate, may conduct, or may rectify.
Copper is a bad material for cable terminals, but this may or
may not mean anything for the conductor itself.
16.3 What can I use for budget speaker cables?
First, a few words on terminology. Wire is sized by AWG or BS
gauge number. Larger numbers represent smaller wire. AWG 40
(also called 40 gauge) is as fine as human hair. AWG 12 is 2mm
or .081" diameter. Some wire is classified as solid, because it
contains one strand per conductor. Other wire is called
stranded, because it consists of many strands per conductor.
Stranded wire is far more flexible than solid wire. Most wire
is made from drawn copper. Some wire is sold that is claimed to
be made with a process that produces oxygen-free copper.
Oxygen-free copper has a different metallurgical structure than
common copper and may or may not conduct current better.
Some critical listeners have reported excellent sound from large
diameter solid copper wire, such as home wiring "Romex 12-2".
At least one expert has said that common 18-gauge solid copper
hook-up wire sold by Radio Shack also works very well. Also
recommended on a budget is Sound King wire, a 12 gauge oxygen
free copper stranded cable. This is available from MCM
Electronics for $.39/ft.
The scientific literature indicates that small gauge wire
generally sounds worse than large gauge. Resistance-related
effects of the cable can be eliminated by using at least 12
gauge wire, particularly for long runs. Of course, shorter
runs are always preferred, because they come much closer to
the ideal zero-length wire, with no resistance, no
capacitance, no inductance, and no change in signal.
16.4 What can I use for budget speaker connectors?
The worst connectors are push-down, or spring terminals. Screw
terminals with solid copper wire are much better. Gold-plated
binding posts and gold spade lugs are inexpensive by audiophile
standards and are extremely stable. Binding posts with spade
lugs can be tightened to get a very good mechanical joint, and
may offer the lowest electrical resistance of any connector.
Gold plated banana plugs and jacks are very good speaker
terminals. Good ones are more expensive than gold spade lugs,
however, they also provide a bigger area of contact, and are
more convenient when you must frequently reconfigure the system.
Banana plugs should be periodically monitored for corrosion and
loss of spring tension. Monster offers a banana-plug connector
with an expanding center pin that forms an even better
connection than common gold banana plugs. At approximately $25
per pair, the Monster banana plugs aren't a budget connector.
All else equal, connectors with gold surfaces are better than
connectors with any other surface. This is for two reasons.
First, gold is extremely inert, meaning that unless gold is
exposed to very harsh chemicals or harsh vapors, it will not
corrode or oxidize. It will remain a pure, low-resistance
conductor. Second, gold is quite soft, so that if a
gold-plated connector is squeezed between two metal
surfaces, it will deform slightly to fill scratches and
voids, giving a very broad, low-resistance contact area.
Corrosion of connectors is often a problem. Gold-plated
terminals and connectors somewhat avoid this problem;
problems with other connectors can be mitigated by
unplugging and replugging the connector on a regular basis,
cleaning the contact areas with a pencil eraser, or by
using a contact enhancer such as Cramolin or Tweek. When
you use a contact enhancer, be very sure to follow the
directions, and avoid spreading enhancer about your equipment.
16.5 What about interconnects, such as the cable between tuner and amp?
Line-level interconnects conduct smaller signals than speaker
cables; the typical signal ranges from -2V to +2V (the CD
output standard) with currents in the microamps (the
corresponding values for speaker cables attached to a largish
power amp might be -70V to +70V and currents of many amps).
Line-level interconnects can be divided into single-ended (or
unbalanced), and balanced interconnects. Home audio is almost
always single-ended interconnects.
Single-ended interconnects almost always use a form of the
RCA connector (or phono plug). RCA plugs form fair to poor
connections that degrade with time as corrosion works into the
metal-metal contact and as the spring tension of the connectors
relax. Gold-plating reduces the effect of corrosion and locking
RCA connectors solve most of the mechanical problems. However,
these premium phono connectors are rare and expensive. For
example, a gold-plated Vampire locking RCA plug costs
approximately $23/pair. If RCA connectors weren't a de facto
standard, we'd recommend against them.
Unbalanced interconnect wires vary in geometry, material and
price. Cheaper wires have a single conductor (normally
stranded) and a shield and cost $.20-$2/ft. Medium (complexity
and price) wires have two conductors (often arranged as a
twisted pair) surrounded by a shield and cost from about
$3-$20/ft. Exotic wires have all sorts of geometries and
materials (such as stranded silver conductors, or ribbon cable
braided around a core, or in one extreme case, a tube filled
with mercury!). Prices may be as high as $200-$300/ft.
Balanced interconnects have three conductors: two for the signal
one for ground, and additionally a shield. The standard
connector for balanced cable is the ITT/Cannon XLR connector,
which is quite good mechanically (they lock). Equivalent
connectors are also available from Switchcraft, Neutrik, and
other vendors. If you have to run cables longer than 12 feet or
4 meters, the greater noise immunity of balanced interconnects
is often a good idea. For this reason, balanced connectors are
standard equipment in professional installations such as
studios, public address systems, and broadcast stations. There
is not much variation in balanced cables. The three brands
mentioned above are known to be rugged, high quality and
moderately priced. Slightly weaker imported connectors are
available, but they aren't dramatically cheaper.
For most systems, the most important aspect of a cable are
the mechanical reliability of the connectors; in particular,
the joint between connector and wire, and the joint between
connector and socket. Typically, interconnect cables are
short. It is worth getting just the right length; cables
often come in .5 meter increments. With quite good systems,
some people observe differences in sound between various
interconnects. This is quite system-specific and the same
advice as given above applies: try several brands. Most
good dealers will loan interconnects for home evaluation.
In cables where the shield does not carry the signal or ground,
the shield is normally only connected to ground at one end.
In systems where there are significant differences between
ground levels on various components, it may make a difference
which way such cables are connected. Typically, the end where
the shield is grounded should be at the source of the signal.
Often, such cable has arrows on it pointing in the direction of
the signal flow. In any case, try both orientations.
There are many objective reasons why cables might cause
differences in sound by interacting with the drivers in the
signal sources as well as by providing non-linear effects in the
RCA connector. Most of these effects are again related to
interconductor capacitance and resistance, and the quality of
the shielding provided by the "shield" conductor. In balanced
cables the quality of the "twisted pair" inside the shield is
also important. One might note that a shield protects from only
capacitively coupled interference, and not from any magnetic
field interference. The twisted pair in a balanced line provide
some magnetic rejection, as does steel conduit. However, steel
conduit has other characteristics which make it undesirable for
audio in general.
16.6 What about Phono Interconnects:
Phono interconnects are part of the link between a cartridge on
a turntable and a preamp (or head amp or receiver). They are a
special case of line-level interconnects because the signal is
much lower, typically 1 to 50 millivolts. They are also
intended to operate into a higher impedance, typically 47K ohms,
and form part of the capacitive load for the cartridge.
The low signal levels mean that the shielding of the cable, and
the presence of a separate drain/shield are more important, as
is a good ground. A separate solid ground should come along
with the cable as a separate lead co-routed with the cable.
In addition, the low signal levels make a good solid connection
to and through the connectors MUCH more important, because of
the greater sensitivity to low-level nonlinearities.
Wire capacitance is often ignored in line-level interconnects;
however, in a phono interconnect, it may constitute half of the
total capacitive load of the cartridge. Obviously, then, two
cables with significantly different capacitances should sound
differently. In this sense, the "right" cable for one cartridge
may be too low or high in capacitance for another cartridge.
For low-impedance cartridges (most moving coil cartridges),
the wire must have low resistance to prevent cartridge unloading
and frequency-dependent signal loss. In addition, as the
signal levels are quite low, shielding is important.
Unfortunately, copper shields do not block stray magnetic
fields, so in the case of phono cables, careful routing may be
even more effective at reducing hum than special wire.
16.7 Is there really a difference in digital interconnects?
There are now three kinds of digital interconnects that connect
transports to D/A converters: coax, plastic fiber (Toslink) and
glass fiber (AT&T ST). In theory, these should sound EXACTLY
the same (bits are bits). However, this assumes good circuit
design (in particular, the clock recovery circuits of the DAC,
and careful consideration of electronic noise) which may be
compromised because of cost considerations or ignorance. Note:
different signaling schemes are used on plastic and glass fiber.
In any case, some people claim to hear a difference;
of those who do, most seem to prefer the glass fiber.
However, the technology of fast digital data transmission
in consumer electronics is evolving very quickly now.
Any specific recommendation should be treated with
suspicion until the industry matures.
16.8 Can I make very good interconnects myself?
Yes. You will need to be the judge of whether or not they
are as good as $100 interconnects, but it is easy to make
interconnects that are better than the $2.00 set which comes
with new equipment.
There are two necessary ingredients: two-conductor shielded
cable and RCA connectors. There is a lot of debate over what
is the best cable, but in general, the lower the capacitance
per foot, the better. Choice of insulation is harder. There
may be an advantage to polypropylene or teflon over polyester
or rubber, but even that is debatable. If you are buying wire
from an electronics distributor, some have successfully used
Belden 1192A microphone cable. It is rubber insulated, so very
flexible. Another recommended cable is Belden 8451. This is
a polypropylene cable with foil shield. Finally, consider
Belden 89182. This is foamed teflon insulated, so very low
capacitance, and foil shielded. If you plan to make a long
cable, this low capacitance cable may be the best choice.
There is also a variety of RCA connectors available. A
good connector would be gold plated and machined to tight
tolerances. A poorer connector will not fit as well, will
make poorer contact as the connecting surface oxides, and
will lose its springiness with use.
When wiring the cable to the connector, use one wire for
signal, (the tip of the RCA connector) and one wire for
ground (the shell or outer conductor of the RCA connector).
Some cables use a foil shield which is difficult to solder.
These cables typically have a drain wire parallel to the foil
which can be used for soldering. Others use a braided shield.
Regardless of which type of wire you have, connect the shield
or the shield drain wire to ground on only ONE SIDE. This will
stop noise picked up by the shield from causing ground noise.
It can be a touchy job soldering RCA connectors. Before
you use your new cables, check with an ohmmeter or
a continuity tester to make sure that you have not
accidentally sorted the signal and ground leads together,
either with a stray drop of solder or a loose wire strand.
17.0 The Press
17.1 Which magazine should I read?
Which ever one you like. None are absolutely objective.
Here's a list of some common ones:
Audio Amateur ($20/yr 4 issues) (Do-it-yourself)
Box 576
Peterborough NH 03458 USA
603-924-9464
Audio Critic (US $24/yr 4 issues) (High-end)
PO Box 978
Quakertown PA 18951 USA
215-538-9555 or 215-536-8884
Audio Magazine (US $24/year 12 issues. Mid-fi)
Subscription Office: PO Box 53548
Boulder CO 80321-2548 USA
800-274-8808, 303-447-9330
Editorial Office: 1633 Broadway
New York, NY 10019
212-767-6000
Audio Observatory (US $15/year 12 issues)
22029 Parthenia Street
West Hills, California 91304
Audiophile (High-end, High-$$$ Buying Guide,
Blind reviews)
Haymarket Trade & Leisure Publications Ltd
38-42 Hampton Road
Teddington, Middlesex, TW11 0JE, UK
+44 81 943 5000
US Inquiries should go to:
Eric Walter Associates
Box 188
Berkeley Hts NJ 07922 USA
201-665-7811
Audiophile Voice
2001 Palmer Ave Suite 201
Larchmont, NY 10538-2420 USA
Bound For Sound (US $18/yr 12 issues) (High-end)
220 North Main St
Kewanee IL 61443 USA
309-852-3022
Car Audio and Electronics ($19.95/year 12 issues)
Avcom Publishing Ltd
21700 Oxnard Street
Suite 1600
Woodland Hills CA 91367 USA
818-593-3900
CD Review (Music Reviews; all tastes, only CDs.)
$19.97 per year 12 issues
PO Box 588
Mount Morris IL 61054 USA
Glass Audio ($20/yr 4 issues) (Do-it-yourself, tubes)
Box 576
Peterborough NH 03458 USA
603-924-9464
Hi-Fi Choice (Mid-end. Comparative reviews with graphs,
tables, and subjective commentary;
'Buying Guide' section)
Dennis Publishing Ltd.
14 Rathbone Place
London, W1P 1DE, UK
+44 71 631 1433
Hi-Fi News and Record Review (Mid-end. Good new record
reviews)
Subscriptions Department
Link House Magazines Ltd
1st Floor
Stephenson House, Brunel Centre
Bletchley, Milton Keynes MK2 2EW, UK
Hi-Fi World (Friendly, lower-mid-end magazine)
(reviews and "how things work" articles)
Audio Publishing Ltd
64 Castellain Rd
Maida Vale
London W9 1EX, UK
+44 71 266 0461
In Terms Of Music (Emphasizes music reviews, new)
PO Box 268590
Chicago, IL 60626 USA
312-262-5918
International Audio Review (US $38/yr, 12 issues?)
2449 Dwight Way; Box 4271
Berkeley CA 94704 USA
Positive Feedback (US $25/yr 6 issues) (high-end)
Oregon Triode Society
4106 N.E. Glisan
Portland OR 97232 USA
503-235-9068
Sound Practices (US $20/yr 4 issues) (Do-it-yourself)
Box 180562
Austin, TX 78718
(512) 339-6229 Voice/Fax
72411.533@compuserve.com
Speaker Builder ($25/yr 6 issues) (Speaker projects)
Box 576
Peterborough NH 03458 USA
603-924-9464
Stereophile (US $35/yr 12 issues) (High-end)
208 Delgado
Santa Fe NM 87501 USA
800-238-2626 or 505-982-2366
Stereo Review (US $6.97/yr 12 issues. Lower end/mass
market)
Subscription Office: PO Box 52033
Boulder CO 80323-2033 USA
Editorial Office: 1633 Broadway
New York, NY 10019
212-767-6000
The Absolute Sound (US $46/yr 8 issues) (High-end)
Subscription Center: Box 6547
Syracuse NY 13217 USA
800-825-0061
Editorial Office: 2 Glen Avenue
Sea Cliff, NY 11579
516-676-2830
The $ensible Sound (US $20/yr 4 issues) (Mid/High-end)
403 Darwin Drive
Snyder NY 14226 USA
716-681-3513 or 716-839-2199
What Hi-Fi (Mid-end; comparative, subjective reviews)
(contains it's own buyer's guide with
recommendations)
Haymarket Trade & Leisure Publications Ltd
38-42 Hampton Road
Teddington, Middlesex, TW11 0JE, UK
+44 81 943 5000
US Enquiries should go to:
Eric Walter Associates
Box 188
Berkeley Heights NJ 07922 USA
201-665-7811
17.2 Which reviews are better?
Some reviews are so colorful and exciting, that they
make great journalism and fun reading. Lets ignore
these for now, even though they have their place.
Beware of reviews from magazines that advertise the same
product. The likelihood of bias is too high. Unfortunately,
that rules out 99% of the reviews in magazines.
Stereo Review has a bad reputation for loving everything
made by every advertiser. Even high-end journals such
as Stereophile and The Absolute Sound can be influenced.
A classic example of misleading reviews occurs with equipment
submitted to a magazine for review. The manufacturer may send
the editors a carefully built, adjusted piece for review. The
magazine will honestly rave about it. The manufacturer will then
send the design off-shore for more economical manufacture and
assembly, and the quality will suffer. Lower quality components
will be substituted for prime parts. Adjustments will be made
to wider tolerances or will not be made at all. The design may
be completely changed to make it more manufacturable. You will
unknowingly get a completely different piece than reviewed.
Home auditions with one or two candidates from each of a few
dealers are your best guide to be sure that you get what you
want and pay for.
17.3 Is Consumer Reports right?
Consumer Reports is the most objective testing lab we have ever
found. Unfortunately, they are also the world's least
specialized testing lab. They market their testing to the
average consumer. The average consumer will not hear some of
the subtle differences which audiophiles hear. For that reason,
Consumer Reports ignores issues that others feel vital.
Consumer Reports also insists on basing their audio testing
predominantly on lab measurements. Although lab measurements do
tell many differences between devices, interpreting lab
measurements for best sound is difficult or impossible. For
example, it is very hard to compare two speaker frequency
response curves and tell which will sound better. Some $3000
speaker frequency response curves look worse than some $600
speaker curves, even when tested in the same setup. On the
other side of the issue, Consumer Reports has improved its test
methods, and will continue to improve. Expect the accuracy of
their reviews to improve with time.
The Consumer Reports frequency-of-repair data base
is larger than any similar data base published and
can be trusted as well as any statistic.
18.0 Retail
18.1 Should I use an up-scale retail store?
This is probably the best place to listen to gear in a
controlled environment, next to your home. This is the best
place to find expensive, high quality gear. This is the place
which is most likely to have a good policy on home trials and
a liberal return/upgrade policy. This is also likely to be
the most expensive place to shop. One exception to this is
that these stores have the ability to sell demos, returns,
and discontinued gear at very advantageous prices.
Some up-scale dealers will negotiate price on large
systems or expensive purchases. It never hurts to ask.
There are definitely better and worse local hi-fi stores. If
you find a really good one, it is probably worth the extra money
to buy from them, rather than from discounters. A really good
store will not push you to buy what they want to sell. A really
good store will allow you to take your time with your decision.
A really good store will not distort the truth in describing
equipment. A really good store will help you get the most out
of your purchase by showing you how to set it up. They will
tell you what placement works best for the speakers. (Don't
believe them if they tell you to put them anywhere.) A really
good store also selects their lines carefully. They don't want
dissatisfied customers or warranty returns any more than you do.
A really good store will also have technical equipment and/or
skilled technical people that can perform tricky adjustments
correctly, such as cartridge and tonearm alignment.
Due to the nature of the customer, a hi-fi store in a shopping
mall is likely to use high-pressure sales techniques. They know
that the majority of their customers are distracted easily by
299 other stores. Most of their sales go to customers that
come in for 3 minutes, select something, and leave. There
are exceptions to this, of course, but if there was a good
generalization, it would be to look elsewhere. There are stores
in large buildings, small buildings, private homes, shopping
plazas, and every other conceivable venue. Search from among
these to find one that meets your needs and fits your style.
18.2 Should I use a discount store?
If you need to listen carefully before making up your mind,
discount stores can be very frustrating. If you know exactly
what you want, then this can be a great place to save money.
Don't expect knowledgeable sales help or after-sale support. Be
sure to ask about the warranty (see 19.1 below on warranties).
18.3 Is it right to negotiate price?
Most people feel that it is fair to negotiate. Some feel that
it is fair to lie in negotiating, as the sales people frequently
lie to you also. Others think that lying to get a lower price
is an immoral practice. It may even be illegal, an act of
fraud.
Some people feel that if you negotiate over price, you encourage
stores to mark prices artificially high, so that the stores have
room to negotiate. Others feel that in negotiating, you are
asking the store to accept a lower profit, or asking the sales
person to take a lower commission and are directly hurting them.
18.4 How can I negotiate price effectively?
A great source of information on this topic is available from
books on buying a new or used car. However, some very helpful
general tips include:
Know the competition and the dealer.
Know the gear.
Know the prices available elsewhere.
Believe in your research, not their words.
Stand your ground.
Be nice to the people but hard on the deal.
Be prepared to walk away if they won't agree.
Expect their lines and prepare responses in advance.
For example, expect the dealer to claim that the
Nakamichi deck is the best cassette deck on the
market. Be ready with a reply such as at that
price, you can buy a DAT machine which has
better frequency response, lower signal to noise
ratio, etc.
18.5 It sounded great in the store. Is it great?
Never let anyone else pick stereo for you. Especially not
speakers. They all sound different, and you don't need a golden
ear to hear the differences. Listen for yourself and ignore
what the sales people say.
If you are still unsure, ask the sales people to let you take
the gear home for a home trial in exchange for a large deposit.
Home auditioning takes 99% of the risk out of store auditions.
18.6 Do sales people try to trick the customer?
Some do and some don't. Some will treat unpleasant customers
badly and treat friendly people well. Most sales people aren't
wealthy. They sell stereo to make a living. If they can sell
you a more expensive piece of equipment or a piece of equipment
with a higher profit, they will make more money. Usually, this
figures into everything they say. Some sales people claim to be
altruistic.
Some sales people really are open and honest. They may starve
with this approach, or they may have a nice enough personality,
a good enough product line, a good enough store behind them, or
enough technical background to overcome this "limitation".
18.7 How can sales people trick the customer?
Often, a customer will trick him or herself without help. We
are often swayed by appearance, sales literature, position of
the equipment in the show room, and our own desire to buy what
others will like.
Some times, the sales person will actively try to push a
particular piece of equipment by demonstrating it against
another piece of equipment which is inferior or defective.
Some sales people will demonstrate a set of speakers while
simultaneously driving a subwoofer, even though they are not
telling you this. With the subwoofer, it probably will sound
better.
Some sales people will demonstrate one set of speakers louder
than others. Louder almost always sounds better.
Most stereo buyers go into the store, spend a few minutes
selecting what they want, lay down big bucks, and leave. They
don't need to be tricked. They don't listen carefully. They
trust the sales person's choice as best in their price range.
For non-technical reasons, these people are the most likely to
be satisfied with their purchase.
18.8 What should I ask the sales person?
What do you want to know? Seriously, the best questions are
those which the sales person can answer without distorting the
truth. Don't ask a sales person to compare their brand to a
brand they don't sell. Don't ask "how good is the ...". Ask
questions of fact.
Here are some questions you may want to ask:
If I don't like it can I return it for a full refund?
Can I try this out at my home in exchange for a deposit?
What does the warranty cover? For how long?
What do I need to know to set this up for best sound?
Do I get a manufacturer's warranty with this?
Where do I take this to get it repaired under warranty?
Where do I take this to get it repaired out of warranty?
18.9 How do I impress the sales person?
Why would you want to? You have money and he doesn't.
18.10 How do I get the best service from a sales person?
Be honest with the sales person. Set some reasonable request
and ask them to meet it. For example, say that you will buy
this if you can try it at home first and listen to it
side-by-side with a piece from another store. Alternately, say
that you saw the same thing at store Z for $xx less, but you
will buy it from the guy if he will match the price.
19.0 Miscellaneous
19.1 What do I need to know about warranties?
Warranties have a few basic components. The first is the term
of the warranty. The second is what is covered. The third is
who supports the warranty. The fourth is what restrictions.
Term is fairly self evident. What is covered is more detailed.
In audio electronics, typically everything is covered with a
"parts and labor" warranty. Often mechanical components such as
tape heads are covered by different terms, such as shorter terms
on labor and longer terms on parts. Likewise, speaker
warranties vary widely, from unconditional with no term limit to
a basic 30 days parts and labor.
Some warranties come from the manufacturer. Others come from
the dealer. Still other warranty support is available with
certain premium charge cards.
A common restriction on some warranties is that the equipment is
not covered unless it is sold by an authorized dealer. A few
dealers have lied about being authorized dealers. Equipment
sold by an unauthorized dealer is almost always sold completely
legally. This unauthorized dealer may, in fact, be fully
authorized to sell, but not authorized to sell manufacturer's
warranties. In buying gear this way, dealers can get it
cheaper, and provide the service themselves. This kind of gear,
with a full warranty from the dealer is referred to as gray
market equipment. Manufacturers discourage buying from these
gray market dealers, but the risks are fairly low. If the
dealer is local and well established, the risks are minimal.
If you buy equipment mail-order, a dealer warranty may be a pain
in the neck, especially if you have to ship the gear to the
dealer more than once to get it fixed correctly. Then again,
some factory service requires shipping gear far away at your
expense, too.
Frequently, home audio equipment is sold with a warranty
restriction that if the gear is used commercially or in any
profit-making enterprise, then the warranty is void. This is to
protect the manufacturer from having to frequently repair
equipment meant for light service. Professional audio equipment
often comes with very liberal warranty terms, such as lifetime
parts and labor. Professional gear takes heavy use and severe
wear from constant transportation. It is expected to be able to
take this abuse.
All gear, electronic and mechanical, is known to have three
principal failure modes: abuse, infant failure, and end-of-life
failure. In addition, a few of the failures occur at random.
Infant failure occurs in the first fifty hours of use, and is
the principal responsibility of warranties. Infant failure is
frequently caused by defective parts or a design defect.
Abuse failure is that caused by a person who pulls a cable too
hard, bangs the equipment on the table, pushes the controls too
firmly or too fast, or does anything else which the manufacturer
did not expect. These are the gray areas of warranties. They
do not represent a manufacturing defect in the manufacturer's
eyes, but they do leave you with a broken device. To get
the best chance of coverage against this kind of failure, select
a brand or a dealer with a very liberal warranty policy.
End-of-life failures are rarely covered by warranty. Tape heads
have a finite, calculable life, as do rubber rollers, speakers,
cables, batteries, bearings, and motors. The life of some of
these components can be extended by intelligent care. For
example, the life of common rechargeable batteries can be
extended by good recharging practice. Likewise, some cleaners
can dry out rubber, and will lead to premature failure. Don't
expect warranty support for any of these problems, and if you
get it, feel lucky.
19.2 What is blind testing? Non-blind? Double-blind?
If you want to compare pieces of equipment, recordings, or
people, you could run an experiment. You could select an
experimenter to initiate various trials, select some subjects
to listen to the sounds, and then ask the subjects questions
about what they hear. However, if you want meaningful
results, it is necessary to set up the experiment correctly,
and ask the right questions.
One of the major problems with any experiment is that the
subjects may become aware of the experimenter's hypothesis
and allow this awareness to influence their behavior. One
technique for preventing such bias is to keep the person
who conducts the experiment unaware of the hypothesis of the
research. Unfortunately, experimenters invariably form SOME
hypothesis of what's going on, and these hypotheses affect
how they deal with subjects.
A more reasonable solution involves allowing the experimenters
to know the true hypothesis but somehow keeping them ignorant
of the specific experimental condition of each subject. This
is known as a Partial Blind Experimenter technique. An example
of this is that the person running an experiment knows that the
main experimenter wants to determine which connecting cables
are best at signal carrying, but would not know which cables
are being used at any given time during the experiment.
It is also important for subjects not to become aware of
the experimenter's specific hypothesis. Subjects often
become highly responsive to any cues, intended or unintended,
in the research situation that suggest what they are supposed
to do to appear normal or "to make the study come out right."
This problem can be present in judgment experiments,
particularly those in which each subject is exposed to more
than one variation of the stimulus. Such a procedure, by its
very nature, increases the probability that the subject will
begin to guess which aspects of the experiment are being
systematically varied by the experimenter.
Many studies avoid this problem with what is called a Blind
Subject technique. Using this approach, subjects are not told
specifically what the hypotheses are. Additionally, subjects
are not told what specific experimental conditions they are in.
For example, a subject might be told that he/she is supposed to
determine which stereo system sounds better, when in fact the
experimenter wishes to examine which color or appearance of the
same components looks better to subjects.
When both a Partial Blind Experimenter technique and a Blind
Subject technique are used at the same time, this is called a
Double Blind experiment. Double Blind experiments have higher
probability of producing statistically valid results than
Partial Blind Experimenter alone, Blind Subject alone, or other
techniques. Double Blind experiments are highly recommended.
19.3 Where can I get a service manual for brand XXX?
The most reliable source of supply is the manufacturer's sales
office in your country.
19.4 Where can I get good repairs on brand XXX?
19.5 How can I take 115V gear over to a 230V country or vice versa?
Some equipment is available with an international power supply,
which can be rewired by any serviceman to either power line
voltage. If you expect to be moving abroad, look for this kind
of equipment. Often, the same model is available both as US
only and as International. Some equipment will be rewirable and
won't say it. Adcom amps are known to be rewirable.
If you know that your gear is limited to one power line voltage,
you can order a new power transformer for that receiver, CD
player, amplifier, or tuner which will be wound differently.
Contact the manufacturer's local service center. This can be
very expensive. A new transformer for a 40 watt receiver would
wholesale for under $25 but cost $75 from a service center.
Another alternative is to buy a power transformer that will
convert 115V to 230V and vice versa. This is only practical
for smaller gear. Larger power amps require prohibitively
massive and expensive transformers. Also, the addition of a
transformer may hurt the sound quality.
Here are some common transformer models and 1992 list prices.
Power ratings are total line current multiplied by line voltage
(2A at 115V is 230 watts). Larger transformers cost more. Some
of the costlier transformers are constructed with plugs and
jacks for immediate use. Those marked * have wire leads and
need safe connections to be used.
Before spending money, check into other things about audio in
the new country. Broadcast frequencies are slightly different
in some countries than in others, so a receiver or tuner bought
in one country may not be able to receive some or all of the
stations in another country. The US separates the AM broadcast
band frequencies by 10kHz while the UK uses 9kHz. Similarly,
the US separates FM stations by 200kHz, where the UK has
stations on a 50kHz spacing pattern. It MAY be very simple to
modify a receiver from US to UK spacings, but may not. Last,
but not least, some equipment will NOT work well on 50Hz power.
Step Down (230V in, 115V Out)
MagneTek/Triad N1X* 50 Watts $11.83
Stancor P-8620* 50 Watts $14.16
MagneTek/Triad N3M 85 Watts $29.95
Stancor P-8630 85 Watts $43.65
MagneTek/Triad N6U* 200 Watts $25.72
Stancor P-8632 200 Watts $51.80
MagneTek/Triad N5M 250 Watts $42.60
Step Up (115V In, 230V Out)
Stancor P-8637 85 Watts $43.10
MagneTek/Triad N150MG 150 Watts $49.46
MagneTek/Triad N250MG 250 Watts $54.69
Stancor P-8639 300 Watts $55.51
The Stancor and MagneTek Triad lines are carried by
large electronic distributors.
19.6 Are there really good deals in country XXX?
19.7 How do I find out how much an XXX is worth?
There is a "Blue Book" for used audio equipment called
"Orion Blue Book-Audio". This guide lists both a
wholesale and a retail value for most audio gear.
Orion Research Corporation
1315 Main Avenue Suite 230
Durango CO 81301 USA
303-247-8855
Last I knew a guide costs $150. Each Nov, a new book is printed.
After August, the old book is discounted. If you need a single
quote from the Orion Blue Book, send a polite request to:
al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
and you may get a quote back by e-mail.
19.8 Do people really hear those differences?
Who knows? They sure think that they do.
19.9 Why do people disagree on what is the best sound?
There are at least three different measures of what is "Perfect
Sound". All three have advocates, and all three are right, in
their own way. In general, whether they admit it or not, most
listeners fit into one of these three preference groups:
1. It must sound like live music. These people know what
voices sound like in person, they know what instruments
sound like without any amplification, and they have
heard orchestras perform unaided by sound systems. They
want to accurately reproduce that sound.
2. It must sound like the recording engineer wanted it to
sound. The recording engineer listened with extremely
good equipment to the sound coming out of the
microphones, and mixed them together for what he, at
that time, felt was artistically correct. It may not
have been the same as live, but it was exactly what he
wanted. In the extreme, people like John Fogerty used
to audition his final recording mix in his truck to see
how it would sound through a common, lousy stereo.
3. It must give me the most pleasure. No matter how good
or bad live sounds, no matter what the recording
engineer intended, if buy some equipment will give me
more listening pleasure then it must be the best.
With these three perspectives, it is clear that no one system
will satisfy everyone. Add to that confusion the variable that
everyone likes a different kind of sound, has heard live music
under different conditions, and has a different idea of what the
engineer intended. There is an enormous range of possibilities.
Another set of reasons is that people look for different things
to be right. Some want strong bass; others want male voices to
sound like male voices; others want violins to sound like
violins. Systems rarely do everything equally well. Speakers (in
particular) are compromises. Look for the speaker where the
designer had your priority first. You are perfectly right to
select speakers based on YOUR personal taste.
Confounding the situation further, we all say the greatest
things about the stuff we already bought. To do otherwise would
be to admit that we are either stupid or deaf.
Still another reason is that most people haven't heard enough
variations. Until you hear a system that can truly reconstruct
the three-dimensional accuracy of a stereo image accurately, you
may never realize that it is possible. Some excellent
recordings contain enough information that with a good enough
system, you can hear up-down, in-out, and left-right
distinctions very clearly. However, we will never experience
this until we are fortunate enough to hear such a fine recording
on a very good system.
Finally, some of us really can't hear much difference. We
aren't deaf, but we don't have a well trained ear, don't know
exactly what to listen for, and may even have slight hearing
deficiencies, such as bad sensitivity to high frequencies which
comes with older age, or hearing damage from listening to loud
sounds (machinery, rock concerts, etc).
19.10 How do I contact the manufacturer of XXXXX? How do I get repair
service on XXXXX? How do I get replacement parts?
Some magazines publish lists of contact phone numbers for the
manufacturers of equipment. In the US, Consumer Reports has a
small listing in each issue and a more comprehensive listing
in their March issue. Also, Audio Magazine has an exhaustive
listing in their October "Equipment Directory". In Europe, look
in "What HiFi?".
You can find many addresses by reading ads in hifi magazines.
You can also find out by asking at your friendly local hifi
shop, especially if you've built up a relationship with them.
There is a book called the "Electronics Industry Telephone
Directory". It comes out yearly and is available in some
libraries. Many reps from parts distributors pass them out for
free. If you want a copy and are willing to pay for it, call
Harris Publishing, 800-888-5900 or 216-425-9000.
The directory of the Electronic Industries Association is
similarly useful. You can reach the EIA at 202-457-4900.
A good source for parts and service is often the manufacturer's
repair center. The best way to locate one near you is to look
at the literature which came with your equipment when it was
new. Failing that, see the ideas mentioned above in 19.10.
There is an old list of addresses and phone numbers called
"Music Equipment Mail/Phone List". This is posted periodically
to news.answers, and contains many addresses of equipment
manufacturers. This list is also periodically posted to some
music newsgroups. If you don't see it posted at your site,
you can get a copy by sending a request to its maintainer,
rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec).
20.0 Network Protocol
20.1 What are the other newsgroups on audio and music?
rec.audio.pro: This newsgroup is dedicated to professional
audio. It includes discussion on record production,
studios, studio equipment, DJ equipment, recording
concerts, sound reinforcement, mastering, mixing,
special effects, and other topics which might apply to
audio professionals. If you are a home audio buff but
like tape recording, you can find good advice here.
rec.audio.high-end: This newsgroup caters to audiophiles and
serious music lovers who are interested in discussing
the subtle differences between expensive equipment, the
nuances of selecting the best cables, the love and lore
of LPs, and other details of audio that are inaudible to
the untrained ear.
rec.audio.car: This newsgroup supports discussion on different
brands and models of car stereo, and also is an open
forum for talk about car stereo installation, speaker
selection, custom crossovers, and the special noise
problems which occur in cars.
20.2 What network mailing lists are out there which aren't on usenet?
There is an informal group of people interested in using DAT
recorders to record "Grateful Dead" concerts. These people call
themselves "Dat-Heads" and have a daily E-Mailing List. To
subscribe to this list, send a message to:
DAT-Heads-Request@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
asking to join the mailing list.
There is also a general turntable chat mailing list. To
subscribe to this list, send a message to:
analogue-addicts-request@vortex1.exeter.ac.uk
asking to join the mailing list.
20.3 Should I post a question about "XXXXXXX"?
If it is related to professional audio, take it to
"rec.audio.pro". If it relates to very expensive audio
equipment or a request for opinions on subtle sound
differences, you might want to take it to the newsgroup
"rec.audio.high-end". If it's related to car audio, there's
rec.audio.car. Otherwise, if it isn't addressed in the FAQ
and it isn't a question for one individual, do it!
20.4 How can I suggest a change to the FAQ?
Send an E-Mail message to neidorff@uicc.com and explain your
suggestion or correction in detail.
20.5 Where is the FAQ for rec.audio archived?
This FAQ is available by ftp from rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/AudioFAQ
To get the entire FAQ from this archive, you need to
get all four of the following files:
part1
part2
part3
part4
20.6 What does FAQ stand for?
FAQ stands for "Frequently Asked Questions". It is assumed that
a FAQ also contains FGA or "Frequently Given Answers". The
newsgroup rec.audio has very few FGAs due to the personalities
involved and the nature of audio. For that reason, this
document is called a FAQ.
20.7 Why did I get a bitter reply when I posted a simple opinion?
Some feel that rec.audio is populated by people with very strong
opinions. The whole audio industry is filled with opinionated
people.
However, for the most part, these people like voicing their
opinions and reading others. What may have sounded like a
severe rebuttal may have instead been an outlet for the other
person's frustrations or a challenge to you to "play the
`rec.audio' game" and back up your words with some spirit.
Be sure to stay light when reading rec.audio. Otherwise, you
are likely to take yourself and everyone else too seriously.
20.8 Can I post a "FOR SALE" notice on rec.audio?
In general, yes. Usenet is not for commercial purposes, so if
you are a store or other retail operation, this is the wrong
place for your advertisement. If you have some used gear or
something you bought and don't need, feel free to post it.
If you see an advertisement for a store that has a great deal,
AND people had been asking about where to buy that item cheap,
you might want to tell the readers on rec.audio about it.
However, try to avoid commercializing. Something like:
Pete's Audio has JVC PS992 for $435, which is 40%
less than anywhere else; If interested 202-555-1212.
should be fine. Try to avoid posting their entire price list,
or using too many superlatives. If commercialism leaks into
Usenet, it could materially hurt us all.
When posting something for sale, have a concise but complete
subject line. Come to think of it, this is good advice for
any post. Here are some good examples:
Subject: 4Sale Power Amp PS 352 $500 San Francisco area
Subject: 4Sale Carver 100W Receiver nearly new
Subject: 4Sale Stereophile Back Issues 4/88 to 6/92
Think about who you are willing to sell to before you post.
If it is fragile or heavy, you may not want to ship it, so you
may restrict to people who are close enough to pick it up.
Use the Distribution: header to restrict your posting area.
If you will only sell to people in Texas, don't distribute it
to Australia. Check with your system administrator if you
aren't familiar with the options you have for Distribution.
Different sites have different restriction codes available.
Distribution headers don't always restrict distribution, so
it is still a good idea to include the target area in the
Subject.
Anyone buying or selling needs to understand that Usenet
contains no mechanism to protect the buyer's money or the
seller's property.
There is a frequently posted message "A Guide to Buying and
Selling on Usenet" which talks of other issues on the subject.
This is posted to news.answers as well as other newsgroups.
It is also available by ftp from "rtfm.mit.edu" in
"/pub/usenet/news.answers/radio" as file "swap-guide".